Recently I had the pleasure of sitting down with my personal favorite flyweight, Ian McCall (12-4). Ranked third in his division by the UFC, “Uncle Creepy” is nursing a broken hand and preparing for another run at the title. He assured me that he will be taking Demetrious “Mighty Mouse” Johnson’s belt, and lists his possible next opponents. Ian’s very confident at the moment, and all MMA fans should be watching him very closely.
Adam: That was a great fight with [Iliarde] Santos.
Ian: Thank you.
You told me you broke your hand in that fight, I don’t think a lot of people heard about that.
Yeah, there’s the zipper to prove it. I got like eight stitches, or ten stitches. Yeah I just got two bolts put in, into my knuckle. I did the typical impaction of my first metacarpal, which is your first big knuckle. What happens is when you impact the knuckle in your hand, it splits the bone in the hand like this. And then I also shattered my knuckle into like four or five pieces.
Wow, you hit him hard!
Yeah, I just kind of rushed a move I was doing. I just kind of did it instead of faking it like I usually do, to see his reaction, and I just ended up hitting on top of the head. And I didn’t hit him blunt, I hit him with the side of my hand, and instead of being able to cork.
That sucks. What is your recovery time, when do you think you’ll be back in the ring?
I had surgery like ten days ago, and I already have my cast off, so it’s healing good. I just got physical therapy, and you can see the range of motion I have on it is limited. But I’ll probably be able to punch within another four to six weeks. I want to fight in December. That would be a good time.
Who do you want?
I want Gaudinot, if he wins tonight, or the winner of him and Tim Elliot. Or I’ll fight Lineker, or really anybody. I don’t really give a shit.
You know, it’s not really a secret that the entirety of the MMA community thinks that you beat “Mighty Mouse” [Demetrious Johnson] the first time.
*Chuckles* Yeah, well, it is what it is. It happened, it’s over with now. I’ve just got to work my way back up and get the title shot and beat him.
You gonna take it from him?
Yeah, I’ll take his title. I think I’m the only one who knows how to do it. It’s just going to take time. I don’t deserve a title shot yet, but I think me beating someone like Luis Gaudinot, and then beating someone else who’s top ranked, will get me there. I think at least two wins, or three wins, and then I’ll have a title shot.
Right on. Where is your mental game and confidence at? Because right before your last fight you were making statements like, you don’t think you should be in the UFC, and you should be cut if you don’t win this fight.
Confidence is on high, you know. I won, I did good. I wasn’t able to get the finish like I should have. I don’t want to say I underestimated Santos, but at the same time I should have been able to finish him. I wobbled him a couple of time, I wasn’t able to get my takedowns on point.
You know, it is what it is. With me mentally, it’s always a work in progress. I’ve got to build up to just get better and better and better mentally. Because physically, I think I’m the most superior flyweight there is, technically, as far as Jiu-Jitsu, as far as wrestling, as far as kick boxing, ground and pound, all of that stuff.
I think I am the best, I think everyone knows I am the best. It’s just me being able to perform mentally and putting it all together. This game is 90% mental.
We’re all elite athletes at this level, we’re all that good, it just takes that extra bit to really get there.
Do you have a message to all of these little kids who look up to you as a gangster, and they’re running around playing gangster, jumping people at parties and…
You know, I used to do that. It’s overrated, for one. It’s just going to get you in trouble, and it’s just going to make you look like an asshole. I’ve gone out of my way to change that outlook on myself. I spent my whole life doing that. I grew up in a house on the beach, and I still put myself in harm’s way. I walked around Hollywood with a fucking gun in my belt, acting like I was cool; getting in fistfights down here, dealing drugs, and just doing stupid shit. Because I wanted to live that life, but it’s overrated.
For one, I think we counted the other day, there’s almost 30 people I can name off of the top of my head that are dead. Whether it’s pills, suicide, getting murdered, car accidents, whatever… yeah, that shit’s stupid.
All these kids claiming Lords [of South County] now, it was a joke to us when we did it. Like literally, we thought it was funny. It wasn’t really serious, we just wanted to fistfight. It was a way for us to get into fistfights. And now people are taking it seriously, and there are other gangs or whatever… There’s always been gangs around here, but people take it seriously, that’s pretty embarrassing. Then they’ll grow up eventually. They’ll end up actually in jail or prison and they’ll realize you’re not a gangster, you’re not hardcore, or they’ll grow up and get over it eventually. Like you know, I did.
And even on my Joe Rogan podcast, I got a lot of flack for it, people talking shit because of what I did. But if you want to talk shit, listen to the whole interview. I said that I’m sorry for what I did, and that I regret it, and it was a mistake, but it’s a learning process, you know? It’s not something I’m proud of… but some of it’s kind of funny. You have to look at everything kind of comically. You’ve just got to realize that it’s not the right way to live, and you get over it eventually.
There’s always someone bigger and tougher than you are out there. So eventually, you are going to get your ass kicked.
You had some personal issues with Robert Emerson in the past. It’s been quite a while, do you still carry any feelings?
I don’t like him, personally. We were friends forever, and he did sleep with my wife, but that’s just the kind of person that Robert is. Like, he’s a shitty person. You know, he’s a horse thief. He’s the kind of guy that will sleep with his friends’ girlfriends. He’s done it, not only to me, but he’s done it to multiple of our friends. So that just shows you what kind of a person he is.
He’s tried to apologize, and cool okay, I forgive you, whatever. But there’s no talking involved. If you want to talk, well, you’ve got about 10 seconds of talking before it turns into a fist fight.
I’m not afraid of you, I know you’re not afraid of me. You might be able to kick my ass, but you’re going to fucking take an ass kicking in the process. There’s just no fixing it. I’m not going to go out looking for a fist fight with the guy, but at the same time, don’t… don’t talk to me. We have nothing to talk about. It’s over with bro. I hope you have a good life, and I hope that you can get your shit together. Because in all reality, that’s one of the most talented mother fuckers I have ever met. Like physically, he’s gifted. He’s just a mental midget, and he can’t get past partying, he can’t get past girls.
I’ve done the same thing. Me and all my friends are alike. So for me to say “fuck him, he’s worthless,” and this and that, he’s not. The guy has legitimate, God given talents that he needs to use. But is he ever going to? Fuck, I don’t know.
I’ve been covering the Jason Mayhem Miller case and he’s accused of some pretty serious stuff. He has a good lawyer and might beat the case but some of his behavior in the courtroom hasn’t exactly been helping him with the Judge. What do you think about all that?
I’ve been acquaintances with him for a long time. He’s always been a little off. Talent-wise, the guy’s incredible. He’s been in the sport forever for a reason. He’s really good. And that’s fucking dangerous. When you mix in… I don’t if he’s doing drugs, or I don’t know what he’s doing… or if it’s just straight psychiatric help that he needs, but that situation is not going to end well.
Whether he did or did not beat up his girlfriend, two times, that’s a slippery slope and somebody needs to step in. Whether it’s enablers that are on his side, or whatever, that situation is not going to end well.
I’m not personally involved with him, and I know a lot of people who are, but somebody needs to fucking… honestly, just get him fucking checked out. Because he’s been doing some crazy shit that needs some psychiatric evaluation at least.
I interviewed Mark Munoz and Brendan Schaub today. How do you think that Brendan Schaub fares against [Matt] Mitrione, and Munoz against [Michael] Bisping.
I think Munoz should be able to crush Bisping. Is he going to? I don’t know. Bisping just seems to outclass a lot of people, he’s hard to deal with.
No one seems to take him seriously.
Yeah, I don’t know why. The guy, he’s a douche, but he’s like a lovable douche that people, I don’t know, people love to hate him. Munoz is like the nicest guy in the world.
Technically he should be able to put Bisping on his butt and just unleash on him. I would love to see it. I think a lot of people would love to see it. It’s… can he do it. Can he get his hands on him? Is Mark mentally there, is he physically there? That’s a lot to deal with. Because Bisping is always physically there. Literally, he is always on point. The guy can go forever.
Do you think it’s a mental thing when you get as out of shape as Munoz got? Do you think that will be a factor in this fight?
Yeah it is, it really is. It’s a mental thing. I think Munoz is talented enough to do it, it’s just, is he going to be on point? Because you have to be seriously on point to beat Bisping.
As far as Schaub goes and Mitrione… I mean Schaub, he’s been fucking boring lately. I think he’s better than that. Who knows what it is? I’m not friends with him, I don’t really know the guy at all, maybe met him once or twice.
Anderson [Silva] – [Chris] Weidman.
I’ve got a feeling that Anderson is going to come back strong. People kept saying that the second round was going to go just like the first did, but I was like, no it wasn’t dude. Weidman became flat footed, he couldn’t take him down, and the combination he hit him with was simple. It was again, ugly, MMA does not have good kick boxers.
Thank you for saying that.
It’s because of the takedowns, and because so many things can happen. There’s no pretty, pretty kick boxing, well, very rarely, because there are so many different things happening. But it was just a jab-cross, and Anderson always does that head movement, the same thing. It’s right-left, the basic head movement you do. People are like, “oh my god it’s amazing.” No, it’s just basic dude. It’s one-two, and then if you throw more, he backs out and then he dips right again. Well Weidman just took one big step forward and threw a feeler. He switched his stance as he stepped forward and threw a feeler jab with his right hand and then threw the hook. He throws that hook good anyways. He’s knocked other people out with that same hook. It was ugly, but it worked. Literally, all it took was taking that extra step forward. And again, Anderson fucked up, and he got too confident.
His second fight with Chael [Sonnen], I wanted Chael to win so bad. But the way he did it, there was so much fury, it was just like, holy fuck.
Yeah well, he hates Chael, like for a reason. Chael’s not like that in person, he’s actually a good guy –
Chael’s a politician.
Yeah exactly, he’s a politician. He’s just there to push buttons and make money. And it worked. Granted, he got his ass kicked, but the guy is a fucking genius.
Cain [Velasquez] – [Junior dos] Santos.
Man, I think Cain will take it. I think he’s figured it out. It’s probably going to be more competitive, but I think Cain will beat him. They both work hard, they’re both awesome athletes, I just think Cain has mentally figured out how to beat JDS.